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    > "We will still have a basic free edition of Construct 3." - posted by Scirra on the blog three days ago. You can use C3 whether you subscribe or not. What's your opinion about that?

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    Depends on what is has in the way of features and like I said I am not against them releasing another version and maybe there are more game designers that want to develop for consoles that will be interested.

    I am sure I will probably try out the free version and my point was about increasing customer volume instead of focusing on a small market of console and mobile game designers and taking care of those that have supported you and not dumping us as I have seen happen with other game engines going to subscriptions.

    That is my thoughts on that and my post was to Tom and is my opinion.

    I know it's your opinion, and I'm not arguing it. I'm merely debating the things you said. I'm sure the basic C3 edition will be as limited as the basic C2 edition. It's my guess at this point that they'll reveal some good things next week about export options. Let's hope anyway.

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    There was never any discussion, you have just come on here announcing opinions as though they are facts. People will do this, people will do that. Jumping in, questioning the business sense, then jumping out, dismissing any response. It doesn't make for a fantastic discussion. Also as soon as I started responding you wanted to end the discussion right away. I was just asking where you're getting your fake statistics from such as the following claims:

    "Many people considering C3 will not have a license to upgrade so you are focusing on a small base of customers."

    "I can tell you that very few people will pay $99 a year for a subscription."

    Also many of the things you're worried about they have already confirmed. The pricing is not going to change. They are going to be continuing with support for Construct 2.

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    Is your name Tom?

    You are being a troll and you know it.

    My post was to Tom not you.

    Please keep it civil everyone, there's no need to be sniping at each other.

    For current Construct 2 license holders, first year is 50% off. This means you'll be able to use Construct 3 for a year for $49.50.

    Please keep it civil everyone, there's no need to be sniping at each other.

    For current Construct 2 license holders, first year is 50% off. This means you'll be able to use Construct 3 for a year for $49.50.

    So Tom it will be $99 and $99 a year after that for people without a license.

    $49.50 the first year if you have a license and then $99 a year.

    Is that correct?

    I have to say I think that newcomer price will keep a lot of people from buying and subscribing when first released considering C3 will be a Beta the first year.

    It is that $99 a year subscription cost to keep using it that I think will turn off many people. Many of your supporters are younger kids and people from other countries where $99 a year is a whole lot of money.

    If that is an auto subscription renewal I can already see parents screaming when they did not expect that ongoing bill when little Johny thought he was getting a one time purchase. May even raise legal issues.

    Not trying to tell you how to run your business just looking at this as a businessman that has seen subscriptions kill a business and I want Scirra to be around and to grow it's customer base.

    ADDED: We are seeing alot of error messages and slow uploads and game loads in the arcade. Is there a server issue or something hanging things up?

    Tom - what if i take C3 in 2 years from now on? i am a C2 user, do i get that first year of using for 50% since i jumped from c2 to c3 in 2 years or

    do i have to buy for 99% in 2 years? is that just for this (2017) year buyers?

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    Tom - what if i take C3 in 2 years from now on? i am a C2 user, do i get that first year of using for 50% since i jumped from c2 to c3 in 2 years or

    do i have to buy for 99% in 2 years? is that just for this (2017) year buyers?

    The direction we're going is that you can exercise your 50% discount whenever you want, this year, or next year etc.

    So Tom it will be $99 and $99 a year after that for people without a license. $49.50 the first year if you have a license and then $99 a year.

    Is that correct?

    Yes that's correct.

    If that is an auto subscription renewal I can already see parents screaming when they did not expect that ongoing bill when little Johny thought he was getting a one time purchase. May even raise legal issues.

    Saying there are legal issues is pure speculation that we're going to do something intentionally illegal, which of course we would never do.

    ADDED: We are seeing alot of error messages and slow uploads and game loads in the arcade. Is there a server issue or something hanging things up?

    Will look at this on Monday when I get in the office. One thing we're spending a lot of money and resources on is our web infrastructure going forwards with C3, we've got some announcements about that in the near future.

    What we know so far:

    - Construct 3 Personal subscription will be $99/year. (cheaper than Spotify)

    Spotify provides unlimited music at an affordable price, whereas C3 just provides you with the tools to create games. Consuming entertainment vs. producing entertainment. It's not a fair comparison and it's not helping anyone.

    A better comparison would be to say C3 the same price as Stencyl and Buildbox, or cheaper than GameSalad subscription.

    > So Tom it will be $99 and $99 a year after that for people without a license. $49.50 the first year if you have a license and then $99 a year.

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    Yes that's correct.

    > If that is an auto subscription renewal I can already see parents screaming when they did not expect that ongoing bill when little Johny thought he was getting a one time purchase. May even raise legal issues.

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    Saying there are legal issues is pure speculation that we're going to do something intentionally illegal, which of course we would never do.

    I was not intimating you would intentionally do something illegal Tom and sorry if it sounded like that.

    I don't know other country laws but in the US a child under 17 can not legally enter in to a contract of any kind including a subscription without parent permission so I was seeing a scenario where some of your subscribers are kids and the parents get a bill for an ongoing subscription and that could raise legal issues in the US.

    Just something to be aware of and has caused probs for other companies in the US.

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    > - Construct 3 Personal subscription will be $99/year. (cheaper than Spotify)

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    Spotify provides unlimited music at an affordable price, whereas C3 just provides you with the tools to create games. Consuming entertainment vs. producing entertainment. It's not a fair comparison and it's not helping anyone.

    A better comparison would be to say C3 the same price as Stencyl and Buildbox, or cheaper than GameSalad subscription.

    I'd much rather pay for tools that can help me create content that I could sell and possibly make a living from vs something i simply consume. Musicians pay thousands of dollars in software and equipment to create music and I'm sure they'd easily trade places with indie game developers. We have it easy. Buy a computer, cheap software and start creating.

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    > Spotify provides unlimited music at an affordable price, whereas C3 just provides you with the tools to create games. Consuming entertainment vs. producing entertainment. It's not a fair comparison and it's not helping anyone.

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    > A better comparison would be to say C3 the same price as Stencyl and Buildbox, or cheaper than GameSalad subscription.

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    I'd much rather pay for tools that can help me create content that I could sell and possibly make a living from vs something i simply consume. Musicians pay thousands of dollars in software and equipment to create music and I'm sure they'd easily trade places with indie game developers. We have it easy. Buy a computer, cheap software and start creating.

    The fact that you would rather be a developer than a musician is irrelevant. You missed the point entirely.

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    > I'd much rather pay for tools that can help me create content that I could sell and possibly make a living from vs something i simply consume. Musicians pay thousands of dollars in software and equipment to create music and I'm sure they'd easily trade places with indie game developers. We have it easy. Buy a computer, cheap software and start creating.

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    The fact that you would rather be a developer than a musician is irrelevant. You missed the point entirely.

    I don't think he said that at all.

    Which is actually missing the point.

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    > > I'd much rather pay for tools that can help me create content that I could sell and possibly make a living from vs something i simply consume. Musicians pay thousands of dollars in software and equipment to create music and I'm sure they'd easily trade places with indie game developers. We have it easy. Buy a computer, cheap software and start creating.

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    > The fact that you would rather be a developer than a musician is irrelevant. You missed the point entirely.

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    I don't think he said that at all.

    Which is actually missing the point.

    Explain it to me then, because it sounded like he was saying it's cheaper to be a developer than a musician, which had nothing to do with what I said. My point was comparing Spotify to C3 is not a fair comparison.

    Sebastian bottom line is if $8/month is too much for you, there are many other tools for you to use. I'd like to think your time would be better used creating with one of those engines than spending it complaining about construct 3

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