[PLUGIN] GWEN - GUI system aimed at games

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  • ...], and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

    The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

    [...]

    You should read the licenses of the stuff you sell

  • I've said from the very beginning that GWEN was originally made by Garry, and that I was porting it to Construct.

    GWEN is also MIT licensed, which means Garry doesn't really care. Do you really think I would have attempted to release it without studying this? Not to mention that I approached Garry to ask if it was cool and received no reply.

    Perhaps you guys should get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions. I've made maybe $25 total off of GWEN, which is less than half of minimum wage for how much work it took to get it rendering in Construct.

  • Where exactly do you see yourself saying that you didn't create it but rather garry newman did? Further more, the license specifically tells you to include the license in all copies. You have not done so any thereby broken the license agreement.

    <img src="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2013-01-06_14-22-24.png" border="0" />

  • On IRC, when I started making it, and more importantly, in the readme, in the credit to other authors and legal notes:

    =====================================================================

    Credit to Other Authors : Garry Newman

    ======================================================================

    Special Thanks           :

    Edgar Muniz, Maegan Provan

    ======================================================================

    Legal Notes              : This work is based on, but does not modify,

                      GWEN, an MIT licensed library written by

                      Garry Newman for the Source engine.

                      Human readable license: If you purchase

                      GWEN, you may use it for independent

                      games, which I define as any game or

                      application making either no money or

                      under $3500.

                      Blockbuster hits that make above that

                      amount need to contact me at

                      bmprovan@gmail.com for a $99 unlimited

                      license.

                      Piracy note: I cannot stop the unlicensed

                      use of GWEN, but know that you are not

                      sticking it to a big corporation, you're

                      hurting a guy that works at Walmart every

                      night that made this in his spare time.

                      A guy that has trouble eating every night

                      on his salary.

    ======================================================================

    So get off my back.

    ou have not done so any thereby broken the license agreement.

    <img src="smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> The license you are quoting was not present on the Google Code page, which is all that existed when I ported this last year. The only mention of a license on that page was "Released under a "do whatever you want" MIT license." That was it. So, frankly, without a license, he's lucky I mentioned him at all. But hey - I'm a nice guy, and people deserve credit for their work.

    This is the first I've heard of his migration to GitHub, where a license appears to be present. I can include that in the package as well if you like, but I never claimed to invent GWEN. I claimed to create the plugin that made it easy to use in Construct Classic.

    EDIT: There, included. Now he's mentioned twice. Feel free to purchase it and verify. I could use the money.

  • Um yeah the Github thing is new, as I looked it up when Arsonide told me he was going to port it over to a CC plug.

    Further more if you felt someone made a mistake you should have contacted the owner of the site and or, author privately. Making false accusations like this is asinine.

    There is obviously no ill intent here other than who ever joined the sight just to post.

    I wish to thank Arsonide for his efforts in all of his plugs. The modest 9 bucks is far less than he deserves for his time and effort.

  • The license you are quoting was not present on the Google Code page, which is all that existed when I ported this last year. The only mention of a license on that page was "Released under a "do whatever you want" MIT license." That was it. So, frankly, without a license, he's lucky I mentioned him at all. But hey - I'm a nice guy, and people deserve credit for their work.

    In the left sidebar, there's a link that says "MIT License" and that links to the MIT License.

    Just in case you need to redistribute something off Google Code in the future. Some people just use the license function the software gives them.

    Redistributing the whole thing like this seems good, tho. Even if you were modifying the software all you'd have to do is include the original license and copyright notice with your software... So everything's good here, I guess.

    I don't even know why I'm posting this, really

    Edit: Woah does this site use gravatar or something that's pretty rad

  • Um yeah the Github thing is new, as I looked it up when Arsonide told me he was going to port it over to a CC plug.

    Further more if you felt someone made a mistake you should have contacted the owner of the site and or, author privately. Making false accusations like this is asinine.

    There is obviously no ill intent here other than who ever joined the sight just to post.

    I wish to thank Arsonide for his efforts in all of his plugs. The modest 9 bucks is far less than he deserves for his time and effort.

    We don't have an ill intent. We just want to see that those who did the work get proper credit. He's violating the license, and he's not crediting garry - even though the license permits that, it's still pretty rude. Nothing we've said was a false accusation.

    And we're not going to "contact the owner of the site" when the problem is right here.

  • n the left sidebar, there's a link that says "MIT License" and that links to the MIT License.

    That links to a description of what MIT is, and a sample template. It isn't the license for GWEN. When I saw that I figured Garry just hadn't made one yet. On Github he actually has one set up properly, but Github was set up 17 days ago.

    e don't have an ill intent. We just want to see that those who did the work get proper credit. He's violating the license, and he's not crediting garry - even though the license permits that, it's still pretty rude. Nothing we've said was a false accusation.

    There are three false accusations in this post alone. I did credit Garry. I did do the work. I did not violate the license.

    I have nothing but good intentions for this community. I've spent countless hours of development time trying to keep it from dying a slow death due to the release of Construct 2. The payment options of GWEN have resulted in it only getting out to five or six people, so in the interests of this community I've actually been considering sending out refunds and releasing it for free, so it actually gets used by more people, helping the community in the long run. I'd been considering that before you white knights showed up, but unfortunately I don't have the funds to do it, so GWEN will remain closed to payment for now out of respect for the people that have bought it.

    There are plenty of causes out there to white knight. Coming into our community and attacking someone blindly without knowing what you are even talking about is not one of them.

  • Arsonide,

    i'm sorry for the rough treatment and false accusations that you suffered here as a result of your brilliant work porting 'gwen' to cc.

    i have just run across it, while searching for other things on the cc forum section.

    although i can understand why you would not want to invest the time in it, have you considered porting the plugin to c2? if not, would you consider it if you were commissioned at cost?

    i really love the flexibility and inherent power built into this plugin for game design, as well as mobile app and desktop app design. i've thought of making a database with it, since watching your tutorial videos.

    so i would like to make the offer of compensating you for the port. if it is something you would consider doing.

    you deserve that much after what you endured in trying to be an asset to this community.

    please let me know.

  • To be frank, there is more than one reason that porting it to Construct 2 is not possible:

    • Construct 2 uses JavaScript for plugins, not C++.
    • GWEN (the library the plugin is based off of) is written in C++.
    • I have many other projects on my plate right now, including some other commissioned plugins for profit.

    I appreciate the offer, but there's way too much going on right now, and if my next project takes off, GWEN will become obsolete anyway, as all major plugins will have to be restructured into Python.

    <img src="http://content.screencast.com/users/Arsonide/folders/Jing/media/1f86392d-0f07-4cb0-9af8-0efde2a89a3c/2013-01-20_0635.png" border="0" />

    This is my next project. Just started getting the infrastructure set up. One of my main goals is to make Construct Classic cross platform, and to do that I have to change how plugins work. Obviously this is going to keep me busy for quite a while, but I'm hoping that when I'm done, CT outshines CC and rivals C2.

  • Arsonide,

    well i am glad that you have other commissioned work, and that you have the drive to continue working with cc.

    sounds like a great project. i hope it prospers for you.

  • Arsonide -

    Construct Throwback is a great idea! I hope as you continue down that road you keep us updated. I would love to keep using CC, I'm not sure the HTML5 thing is ever going to be quite what I want from it.

  • Is there a way to set one of the Radio buttons options on by default? Or in other words... is there a way to manually set which Radio option is selected with events? The only action for it is "Add Option".

    Also, I'm having trouble figuring out how to get the value from the currently selected list box item. There doesn't seems to be any ListBox specific expressions.

    I've been struggling with this and cannot find the answer in any of the documentation. I feel like i'm missing something about how to use this plugin. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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  • A payed plugin for a freeware, royalty-free app?

    Dont take it personaly but - no way.

    If am supposed to pay to make my own game i would just go and buy C2 or another engine. Regardless of the price.

    The whole point of CC existance currently is based around the idea that here we have an inferion, weaker version of C2 but its totaly freeware and royalty-free.

    Having a payed plugin for it defeats the whole purpous.

    I will much rather spent an additional week of work coding my own custome UI rather then pay for one.

    No hard feelings. Its just my opinion. Which you have all the rights to disagree with.

  • The whole point of Classic's existence is what? Wow. Not even going there. I will ask you to check history and/or facts, however.

    Your opinions are duly noted. However, do note that many things GWEN does are not possible in Construct, regardless of how hard you work on your user interface.

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