Question and response to my post on construct 3 (General Discussion)

  • My topic: Why is construct 3 subscription based. Question: Do u lock post that question your software and or want to know every ones opinion about it?

    Response: I didn't see the post devolving fast everyone was sharing what they thought about the subscription and or answering my question. Also if you saw it devolving fast you could simply ignore it or delete the bad language what steam has is hearts to replace the bad language or roblox they have hashtags you could do the same. One more thing please when you respond don't take it the wrong way that I'm being rude I just wanted to ask and respond to my post closing. Tom

    (And if your one of the people that answered my question and or shared your opinion on my post thank you for doing so)

  • Topic Reference :: construct.net/forum/construct-3/general-discussion-7/why-is-construct-3-subscriptio-136735

    Continuing the topic really isn't necessary anymore. The answer was already provided and there is even a FAQ https://www.construct.net/make-games/faq for questions like this.

    Instead of giving out reasoning, it became more like of a topic of ranting and going against how the company works, as if it will ever change or be supported.

    But for information's sake. The world of game development or generally software, is evolving. Editors make more, are maintained and innovated more with subscription based pricing instead of one time payment like how Adobe and Microsoft Office now have changed into.

    This is because the state of software is always volatile.

    BuildBox Pricing: $1188 per year.

    buildbox.com/license-options-trial

    For example, Buildbox, is a good example of an overpriced subscription based software that is not even near in the competing level in regards of capabilities compared to Construct 3. That is only overpriced if we compare it to Construct 3's pricing.

    The yearly subscription price for the Pro Version is nearly $1200.

    That makes the Construct 3 Subscription very cheap, considering that BuildBox can only make by default, simple and pre-defined games.

    Although, their target market is making it easier for non-developers who want to make simple games.

    So that sounds fair.

    And nobody has the right to tell the BuildBox company is overpriced as their service is for a different goal. As long as they follow the law.

    So, I hope that clears the need for much debate.

    Cheers.

  • I wasn't talking about other subscriptions for other softwares if I may point out. And not everyone would like to do a subscription not everyone has the money to and or would like to do a subscription. I wanted everyone to tell me also what they thought on it after some time later when the topic was created. One more thing the topic wasn't made to get rid of the subscription plan I have no clue where you got that idea from, everyone decided to give their opinion so I was interested. And I'm sure everyone knows that the company(Scriaa)won't get rid of the plan for construct 3

  • Your topic was closed because this question has been discussed already for a couple of years now.

    And it often ends up in topic devolving in some way or another.

    If you want to see people's opinions on the subject, please do search the forums.

    The topics are closed but not deleted and you can read the many already existing pages.

    You can also take a look at the AMA that Scirra had in the beginning of the year : https://www.reddit.com/r/construct/comments/7u0twm/we_are_scirra_the_company_behind_2d_game

  • Well if you want to hear people's opinions, then let me say, i absolutely support the subscription and can understand why it was installed in the first place.

    People really do need to start kinda understanding how businesses operate and that you basically can't run a business with products where you pay once for years of support and free updates anymore especially since software nowadays isn't just the program itself anymore but, especially in case of web based applications, has ongoing costs like server fees etc.

    So on the one hand there's a high demand in the community for frequent updates, new features, better support etc. on the other hand people really don't want to pay much for it. This is by the way the EXACT same problem the game industry faces right now. People don't value digital products very much even though just as many man hours went into the creation often times as with any consumer good.

    So back when C2 was made it was basically Ashley and his brother doing all the work and the one-off fee was enough to sustain them. Now with C3 they seek to expand plus it has advanced to a web app so there are more cost evolved PLUS the company has grown and it's not just two people anymore. Last time i checked, talented programmers in this world wouldn't work for free.

    As of the question of hobbyists etc.: well i see it like this: if you're part of a soccer club, you can expect to probably pay more than 90 bucks of member fees to the club each year. Or have you ever subscribed to a gym? That's Construct 3 ten times over for a year. Wanna play online games on the Playstation? There you go, PS+ account. Going to Design school like myself and need Adobe's software packages? Subscription. And so on and so on...

    Not every hobby is for free either and i really think that it's not like people get their dreams crushed because of C3 going subscription based, it is as Tom said, all a matter of you own personal view. IF you really just want to tinker around with game making from time to time well, gee, luckily there are TONS of choices out there and even a lot of free ones. From GDevelop to Godot, it all has you covered.

    So sorry if this might come off as being harsh, but i feel like if people would spend the time they took to complain about pricing of a product to just use something different and actually MAKE games, they would probably get much closer to where they want to be.

    So C3 is what it is. With all its benefits and all its shortcomings. And the price is 90 dollars a year. For me personally, that's totally worth it. I have a fulltime job next to part time school, so i can afford it but i want to make game making my career and it's only natural that with any "business venture" you start, you better plan for some investments.

    But ask 100 different people and you'll probably get 100 different opinions, i just find it pretty amazing that this topic still shows up after having been discussed in several threads already and the reasons why Scirra went that route are pretty clear. I also find it kind of interesting, that many assume that this is like a bad business decision on their part when in reality they were able to hire more people because of it and we get faster development cycles on the App, the web services and the website now. There are enough users who think it's worth it to them and for anyone else the only other option is another service that seems fairer to them. It's kinda that simple.

    Peace and love!

  • I think a customer-faith issue for Scirra is how the threads are locked if people criticize the subscription based model. That's not good; let the thread lose interest naturally. When you silence people's opinion it looks suspicious to the paying customer. Alternatively, to be fair, lock any thread that sings the praises of C3 - as all that has been said before too.

    I think the original thread mentioned here had good feedback on both sides and there was no reason to lock it.

    Also, Scirra supporters keep harping back to the subscription model allowing for faster updates and implementation of new features. If so, could you please explain why we have been waiting MONTHS for implementation of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) functionality so that we can list our apps on the Apple market? Our subscription is ticking away as we wait, yet threads on the issue remain with no comment from Scirra for months, even when specifically asked in the thread.

    It seems the mods/owners are soon to lock/comment on threads that are deemed "anti-Scirra", but less enthusiastic when paying customers ask for status on features that are show-stoppers for many.

    Just my 2c.

    Mod locking thread in 3...2...1.... :)

  • Mod locking thread in 3...2...1.... :)

    Grow up.

  • >

    > Mod locking thread in 3...2...1.... :)

    Grow up.

    Nice "moderating" Sir. As the forum face of Scirra, you certainly encourage customer participation and allegiance. ;)

    Your response about sums up the professionalism around here.

  • Also, Scirra supporters keep harping back to the subscription model allowing for faster updates and implementation of new features. If so, could you please explain why we have been waiting MONTHS for implementation of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) functionality so that we can list our apps on the Apple market?

    Can't tell you about the inner workings of the company as i not partake in it. Maybe because there are like 30 different threads on this forum about 30 different things to implement all with the same urgency?

    And i just wanted to add, i find it quite counterproductive to split up a community in apologists and more critical consumer-freedom movements. As if i never had any concerns to voice, which i do. This paints like the light as if users who are positive about the software somehow are conspiring of keeping others from their well-deserved features.

    Really sorry about your subscription ticking away.

    Bye.

  • Can't tell you about the inner workings of the company as i not partake in it. Maybe because there are like 30 different threads on this forum about 30 different things to implement all with the same urgency?

    And therein lies the issue as to why devs and businesses cannot rely on C3 as a serious tool. Imagine a company waiting around for months/weeks for a critical feature to be implemented? Paying staff and rent and hearing nothing from Scirra regarding a fix. No feedback whatsoever.

    Apps now require the feature I commented on on both Google Play and the Apple App store. It's critical as an app is in policy violation without the feature. Yet here we are months later and nothing from Scirra regarding implementation in iOS.....

  • Joel thanks for sharing what u think on the subscription model.

  • And therein lies the issue as to why devs and businesses cannot rely on C3 as a serious tool.

    I'm a dev and it works totally fine for me. Again, it all comes down to where your priorities and personal experiences or wishes for improvements etc. lie.

    Which goes back to the obvious answer to the question whether a subscription is worth it to you or not: only you can decide that for yourself and if you feel like it is not, then by all means, look for a tool that better suits your need or where you feel you'll have a happier experience.

    Also: when you're a business that has the financial turnover to rent offices and employ people, you're probably in a position where you'd want to move on from C3 anyway, since you're going to hire programmers and will use the tools that they're most familiar with. That's why i think it's so hard comparing one to the other because they all serve different purposes and different demographics.

    But yea, i'll leave it at that now ;)

  • I think a customer-faith issue for Scirra is how the threads are locked if people criticize the subscription based model. That's not good; let the thread lose interest naturally. When you silence people's opinion it looks suspicious to the paying customer. Alternatively, to be fair, lock any thread that sings the praises of C3 - as all that has been said before too.

    I think the original thread mentioned here had good feedback on both sides and there was no reason to lock it.

    Also, Scirra supporters keep harping back to the subscription model allowing for faster updates and implementation of new features. If so, could you please explain why we have been waiting MONTHS for implementation of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) functionality so that we can list our apps on the Apple market? Our subscription is ticking away as we wait, yet threads on the issue remain with no comment from Scirra for months, even when specifically asked in the thread.

    It seems the mods/owners are soon to lock/comment on threads that are deemed "anti-Scirra", but less enthusiastic when paying customers ask for status on features that are show-stoppers for many.

    Just my 2c.

    Mod locking thread in 3...2...1.... :)

    I agree with u. (Just maybe you should have left out the last part so the Mod doesn't have a hissy fit LOL Sorry)

  • Your topic was closed because this question has been discussed already for a couple of years now.

    And it often ends up in topic devolving in some way or another.

    If you want to see people's opinions on the subject, please do search the forums.

    The topics are closed but not deleted and you can read the many already existing pages.

    You can also take a look at the AMA that Scirra had in the beginning of the year : https://www.reddit.com/r/construct/comments/7u0twm/we_are_scirra_the_company_behind_2d_game

    Ok thanks for responding

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  • One more thing Joel Purgatory looks cool. Are you making it with c3, c2 or some other engine?

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