How do I Bounce without behaviors ?

Hi

I want bounce a ball on differents rectangular boxs without behaviors because i need to keep the x/y variables and then pass them through a relocation pass before the ball is drawn to the screen...

So i move the ball with :

System every tick - ball set X to Self.X+Self.speed_x*dt
                                - ball set Y to Self.Y+Self.speed_y*dt
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I have the angle of motion of the ball with a function that i create.

For the collision with a box i use :

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Ball is overlapping box 
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Now i don t know how to use the angle of motion to bounce off the ball .
I try to reverse x y coordinate with 

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X=cos(angleofmotion)
Y=sin(angleofmotion)
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But the result is not very correct , the ball bounce off but not very realistic..

Thx for help

I don't have time to work on anything right now but quick thoughts are:

1) Use the speed x and speed y variables to change your angle of motion. It's moving using those variables so altering it's X and Y coordinates is going to look strange since every tick you're still using those variables to push the ball in a particular direction. You can create another set of variables (e.g. X and Y constants - perhaps 0 and 200, respectively) to compare to whatever you change your variables to. If your speed variables are greater or smaller you bring each variable back to your constants every X seconds or tick with a small sum.

2) Create imagepoints around your ball to determine where it's overlapping to determine the angle of motion you want and create a system that alters your X and Y speed variables accordingly.

I have a different idea for you.

Create an invisible "shadow" clone of your ball sprite with Bullet behavior and "Bounce off solids=yes" and gravity if needed.

Use its coordinates to adjust your main ball coordinates.

You can even do this with physics behavior, see my comment in this post:

To be clear with my problem i post the file of my collision engine and i repeat that i can t use any behaviors of construct 2.

worm1work.alwaysdata.net/test/test_collision.rar

And what i try to do for the bounce off it's to convert my angleofmotion to have thoses results :

0 degrees = (1,0)

90 degrees = (0,1)

180 degrees = (-1,0)

270 degrees = (0,-1)

And after i can invert direction of the bounce change x y to 1 or -1

Sorry, I didn't understand your explanation <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile">

What I meant is this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3229duj1g2im1 ... .capx?dl=0

Use another sprite with Bullet behavior just as a source of coordinates (X, Y, angle of motion, angle of reflection).

You can then use these values in your formulas and reposition your main ball sprite - invert angles etc.

Isn't a bounce basically a negative value of x speed and y speed ( - drag/friction if necessary ), so if something is moving at yspeed of 10 and hits the bottom, y speed becomes 10*-1 ( or *-0.9 to simulate slowdown due to friction ) x speed stays the same. Hitting sides you multiply xpeed by -1 and y speed remains the same.

At least this is the basic way to do it, no angles are necessary.

Thx BadMario for your explanation, it's a basic rebound that I wish so if I do not need the angle and I change the x and y depending on the side of the box touched, my question is how we determine the side hit ? thank you !

I find this formule from an old game in AS3 ( flash game )

 // hold our ball position
    var bx:Number = _main.mcBall.x;
    var by:Number = _main.mcBall.y;
    var br:Number = _main.mcBall.width * 0.5;

    // get our bounds (assuming that the brick has it's registration point
    // in the center) - extend by the radius of the ball to cover the points
    var left:Number     = this.x - this.width * 0.5 - br; 
    var right:Number    = this.x + this.width * 0.5 + br;
    var top:Number      = this.y - this.height * 0.5 - br;
    var bottom:Number   = this.y + this.height * 0.5 + br;

    // check the position of the ball in relation to our brick
    if( ( bx >= left && bx <= right && by >= bottom ) ||    // bottom
        ( bx >= left && bx <= right && by <= top ) )        // top
    {
        _main.mcBall.ballYSpeed *= -1;
    }
    else // hit the left or the right
    {
        _main.mcBall.ballXSpeed *= -1;
    }

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well. itsort of is in that code.

set each wall either as a variable ( leftwall = 0 for example ) or if using the actual object it would be leftwall = leftwallobject.X+leftwallobject.Width/2

if ball.X < than leftwall ball.X= leftwall+ball.Width/2 and also multiply x speed by -1 to reverse it.

Do same for each side, obviously for the right side it will be if ball.X > than rightside

Here, this works fine. It should be pretty easy to adjust or alter depending on other things you'd like to do.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2all17dryxf68 ... .capx?dl=0

ultrafop I can t open your cap, version 247 and i have version 244 me

Yes BadMario, i managed it like that and it works very well !

Now I want to go further and I noticed that if I change the angle of my boxs the rebound is no longer realistic.

I read that to manage this you have to go through vectors to calculate the angle of reflection. So it's not easy at all anyway ^^

After several searches I found on the forum this plug in :

I think it s the best solution to handle the collision on any object with a random angle but i dont know how to use it with a moving object ...

worm1

To open a capx saved in newer version, rename it to zip, unpack to a folder, open .caproj file in Notepad and edit this line:

<saved-with-version>24700</saved-with-version>