Thanks Vaidd will take a look at it to.
The R0j0 random example is great, its 90% what i want and i have the cards deleting etc, just not facedown at start.
Its all new to me LOL. I come from a RAD framework which was built on Delphi so the flow IS a little different in the event structure,
After 2 weeks so far I'm understanding it more and more and a helpful forum goes a long way