[quote:1bfde1jm]I'm asking out of curiosity more than anything.
I often hear that managers looking for programmers have a small budget. Which I understand; without serious income small start ups are always. However often with that comment comes with the line "most of the budget is going towards art and audio so I can only offer profit share"
I did notice you are offernig a small stipend which is above others I have seen, but I am very curios why; why is that it seems that audio an artists get paid yet programmers who put it all together have to be paid on promises?
Are there more programmers than artists, are audio engineers more rare?
I would like to understand more.
I can't speak for people in general, but I personally feel that people are generally more willing to help with programming than artwork. Honestly, I'm well aware that this request is a bit of a long-shot. That's why the ideal situation is that someone just helps out of sheer kindness--while rare, I've met people who do that, who are willing to help whenever they have free time by answering questions and the like. I'm not really interested in hiring a programmer to do actual dirty work, or rather I would be but I have to budget things: programming is something I can do the majority of on my own so therefore finding someone to do it for me is low priority.
[quote:1bfde1jm]You are correct. I also find, just spec here. That in fact, the same is said to the audio and artists.
"most of the budget is going towards the programming side so I can only offer you profit share."
Personally, in cases like this I usually walk away, because I can get my own assets, and I really don't need a manager(no one needs those). So unless the "Manager" can bring something very very juicy to the table. I ain't going to bite - ever.
Haha, so it's like people only ever offer profit share, huh? That's a shame to hear. Go figure, though. I don't expect the average person to bite.
[quote:1bfde1jm]The funny thing is that there are much more artists than programmers. Just look at most of the 'music composers' spam. I say spam because most of them are noobs.
Plus construct programmer is a joke. You can learn the soft and find what you need in several days.
I assume that the price would be higher if it was coded in common languages.
People who are looking for programmers are azy because the soft itself is made to not use a programmer.
And if the person is too lazy to learn the soft well, sorry but i don't trust this person.
Well, that's the thing--finding actual quality graphics artist for affordable prices is difficult. Music composition is something I take very seriously which is why I chose a specific friend to do it for me.
For you Construct programming might be piss easy, but try to see things from the light of people not experienced in coding and without a large capacity for this sort of thing. From my perspective, you just seem like you're hating on less talented people and brushing them off as "lazy" and unwilling to learn. Personally, I only want to speed up my learning and development process by not hitting major roadblocks/obstacles that impede progress for days... or rather, by having someone help me overcome said obstacles quickly. Anything above and beyond is extra and would be out of sheer kindness; I'll accept, but it's not what I'm seeking nor can I offer greater compensation for it outside of the not-very-enticing profit-share (and other benefits of working under someone who is paying for all the assets himself, managing the project, etc.).
jayderu you make a good-point; I'm personally of the belief that a manager should be familiar with every aspect of development and well... they should be more than a manager, they should be actively involved in the design of the game and that means being able to program, being able to analyze and work with music and art assets, etc.
I intended to take this kind of approach while doubling as the programmer, with someone to bail me out when my programming skills failed (which they often do, programming isn't a great talent of mine).
HPA97 thanks for the offer, but if you're not too confident in your own skills, I wouldn't want to push you and risk it, especially since the biggest obstacle here is how to work in C2 (I've programmed in other places in other languages before... Java and C# in Unity mostly).
I think I'll just try asking questions and perhaps I'll find someone amidst the question-answererers (yes I know that's not a word) who'd be willing to share their Skype with me or something. Perhaps doing it this way where it seems like I'm asking for a free commitment is too much of a turn-off after all, no matter how I try to word it, haha.